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We need to find out who that "she" person was. Based on the context, this female was

  • someone they both knew
  • this female for whatever reason was going to that same location that day.
  • The boy's goal was to get the victim there "before she got there."

So we need to find out 2 things

  1. Who was that female?
  2. Why didn't the boy want her present and why the urgency of getting the victim there , before her?

When I called the Florence County Tax Collector's office, they confirmed that a woman owned the house in 2016. Maybe the boy wanted Darius there, before the owner of the house at that time got there?

That's the way I was thinking too. I'll keep working on narrowing the list of possible females that she could've been.

Maybe it was to ensure that no one could intervene. To avoid having any other witnesses to the shooting. It's also possible the "she" that the boy was referring could've protected Darius. Obviously the goal was to get him there before she got there, so this unspecified woman/girl had to be significant. We have to figure out whether that boy actually did this out of malice intent or did the shooter force him to bring Darius there ?

The way things looking at this point, how we know that boy wasn't the shooter? All the impatience, hyped up leaving out the door, talking crazy to the victim, making sure a mysterious woman/female wasn't there, giving a death glare to a hallway witness, blaming that hallway witness over beeswax, glaring at the victim, monitoring a conversation the victim was having in the hallway, left school with the victim, created a deadline to get him there.....am I crazy or this don't sound like this could be the shooter to y'all??? How we even know another man was actually waitin there? What if he made that up to get him there and then switch personality and did it his damn self?

Bcuz remember P in our old posts on this website, we kept tryna figure out how the shooter knew the victim would be there at that specific time.? Who else then the person that went with him would know where he would be at and who wouldn't be around to help at a specific time? Wasn't most of the population still at school or at work during 2pm ? That time alone speak volumes. Something ain't right.

I can see that being a possibility. That's terrifying to think that he switched his personality again when they got there. He was excited leaving school, but you have a point. If he was comfortable talking to Darius that way in front of a stranger, there's no telling what horrible things he said to Darius once they were out of sight. But the only problem with this theory is that it doesn't explain the angry guy. There really was a maniacal angry guy who was also talking crazy to Darius that day.

So basically 2 males were angry at him that day. The first one the one that you say was a maniac was too scary and threatening him from the shadows, tryna keep slick and say them threats verbal instead of thru text, and the other male was just openly talking crazy in a busy school hallway.?? So my thing is .... how those 2 were never viewed as suspects? Or at bare minimum persons of interest?

Not only that, but how did the other boy manage to live to tell the tale.... but the case is still unsolved? He went also, so wouldn't that make him a witness to the shooting? So for 20 whole minutes, the boy and the shooter just sat back and relaxed? Obviously most murderers don't report themselves, but still. How could they just leave him there for so long? What a disgusting level of hate. Sickening to the core.

If this case really does make it to trial, I say arrest the shooter, but spare the boy. Don't get mad, let me explain. What if the shooter really did hold that boy hostage and force him to witness the murder? Think about the guilt the boy must've already been feeling . Especially after cussing out the victim, and then being forced to watch him die. I think we should only go after the shooter. Agree?

It's important to stay very focused on solving the case. The so called attractiveness of that hallway boy must not be taken into consideration when pursuing justice on behalf of the victim. Please remember this in order to keep moving forward with the case. There's no time to reminisce about the hallway boy's voice or eyes . Don't bring this up again pls

No, but this time she wasn't bringing up his good looks or hot voice. This time she really does have a point. The shooter is to blame for pulling that trigger. Hallway boy was probably held hostage or threatened by the shooter.

So after holding 2 ppl hostage in a hallway, he also was held hostage by the very person he was excited to meet??? nahhh both of y'all on something to think he shouldn't be accountable too. He the reason the victim left the hallway so if the boy never talked crazy , the victim could've stayed at school safe and got help from a teacher or facult eventually . That's how I'm thinking

Nope, what happened in the hallway was not a hostage situation because the skinny boy didn't have a weapon to subdue us. Darius didn't want to leave with him because, again for the last time, the boy was trying to get him to go meet the angry guy that was waiting for him. He was just listening to his gut instinct. Now for me , I just stayed there because I was shocked about what was unfolding in front of me, frozen in place out of genuine disbelief. I was also highly afraid to walk past the skinny boy. Technically, both of us could've just got away from the skinny boy, but then he would've followed us.

....???!!!. "But then he would've followed us. "

That's not normal tf?

Listen to yourself and then saying it wasn't hostage bcuz he ain't have a weapon. So that makes it even worse! That mean he controlled both of y'all with words alone, not even a weapon. Pls for the sake of the victim be fr you know this other boy was wrong too. If anything he was more wrong for begging him . No mean no for every type of circumstance. You said yourself he ain want to go

Do me a favor and preserve that call log. Whoever else you called about this topic preserve the call log fr.

I also called SLED. Preserve that call log also?

Yes and please.

Ok and matter of a fact, I was supposed to mail off a letter to SLED pertaining to this case. The SLED woman on the phone was so kind and ready to assist. I have to call her again, to re-obtain that info. I don't want them thinking I wasn't serious.

Get back with SLED effective immediately. Leave a voicemail , fax , email whatever since it's still Sunday.

Has anyone else been reflecting on the sheer courage it must have taken for Jordan to go out hunting on his own that day? It’s clear he was experienced and comfortable in nature, but going out alone at such a young age shows a level of independence and confidence that’s really admirable. Such a tragic ending for someone with so much spirit. My heart goes out to his family and friends who have to navigate life without him. It’s just a reminder of how fleeting life can be—even amidst the things we love most, like Jordan did with his outdoor adventures. I hope the community continues to rally around the Griffeys and keep Jordan’s memory alive by sharing stories of his adventures and kindness.

Yes, he grew up hunting often and was very confident in himself. He was such a lively kid, and is greatly missed.

I wanted to take a moment to reflect on the community's response to Jordan's tragic passing. It truly highlights how in times of immense sorrow, people come together to support one another. The online fundraiser for the Griffey family shows the depth of compassion and generosity the community holds. It’s comforting to see everyone rallying to help ease the family's financial burden during such a devastating time. It must be incredibly difficult for them, and knowing that so many people care and want to help hopefully provides some solace. It’s moments like these that remind us of the strength found in unity and empathy. My thoughts and prayers are with Jordan’s family and friends.

Yes, our community pulled together and very quickly covered the costs. He had a viewing in our High School gym for us students. It was moving to me, thought I am not family, but we were friends.

Hey all,
I've been following Thomas Jerome Crum's case, and I can't stop thinking about his kids. Losing their dad at such young ages must be incredibly tough on them. I read that he was really close to all of them, and I can only imagine the huge void his absence has left in their lives. From what I've gathered, Thomas was someone who really cherished family time and made sure his kids knew they were loved. It breaks my heart that they won't have him guiding them through the milestones yet to come. Has anyone in the Albuquerque area heard if there are any community support efforts or funds set up to help his children? I just wish there was more that could be done to support them through such an unimaginable loss.

Thank you for your concerns and sorry if this is outta the blue for you but I’m his son and I wonder every night what really happened to my dad that night it’s been years since then and all of it stills feels like a bad dream that I can’t wake up from I’m just now finding this page after randomly scrolling through google and very blessed to find it to see atleast somebody cared about my fathers case apd and their detectives don’t seem to care much about it and just labeled it as 2 criminals who had bad backgrounds but at the end of the day we are all just humans trying to get by and hopefully one day somebody with knowledge of what happened will speak up and give me and my family some type of peace and closure. (I know the name says Patty Luna but this is Elijha Crum behind this message)

I know it's 4th of July at the time of me typing this but we gotta keep going anyway. Did the shooter care that it was the first day of black history month when he murdered this teenager? Nope, so let's keep going. Holiday or not, we gotta get this figured out soon.

What if that woman/female also lived there? It's a wide assumption but it's possible.

Thank you for calling that part out. I thought it was a hate crime originally, because of the date. What a severely disappointing way to start off the month.

Yea I thought it was racially motivated too at first that's why I was confused about the date. I thought they had it wrong. But then reality so yeah let's go private messages real quick

It look like they got private messages on this website now. Good, let's continue there

I came across this case while reading up on unsolved murders, and it just stopped me in my tracks. Brandon Messer was just 25, with a whole life ahead of him, filled with his passions for music and art. It’s just so hard to wrap my head around the fact that someone so young and full of potential can be taken away so violently.
What strikes me is the community response, how everyone came together, hoping to find justice for Brandon. I’ve seen posts about his friends and family trying to keep his memory alive through music events and gatherings. It’s touching to see how people are honoring his love for the guitar and his artistic spirit.
Does anyone have any updates on this case? Any new leads or developments? It’s frustrating to think there hasn’t been much movement in finding who’s responsible. Keeping Brandon in my thoughts and hoping his family finds the closure they deserve.

He got high on Meth and Suboxone and over 40 Xanax bars that night and stabbed his girlfriend's 60 year old father in the lung and liver. He was shot in self defense by the victim. That's why there are no convictions. It's a tragic story but he's hardly a victim in this case.

I am glad he declined the heart surgery that would help him. He just needed to leave this world and stop taking up the oxygen and resources to keep him alive. He had no redeeming qualities. He was a blight on the human race.

Who could shoot at a random car with a couple and 2 kids in the back? What was the motive? I just don\\\\'t understand why this happened.

Well, the hallway situation explains a lot. Makes this even more heart wrenching to know that this victim was making every possible effort to avoid violence. The biggest question still remains: Who made the permanent and terrible decision to end such an innocent, young life? Who pulled that trigger?

We will stay on this page doing info drops, sharing knowledge, and scrutinizing every detail until we get the answer to your question. One team one mission.

That's right. Why give up? Evil never rests, so why should us good folks? You know, the hallway thing gave us the answer to why he left school. We kept wondering if he was avoiding the angry guy , why he would go to the school just to leave the school and go to the angry guy again. But now it makes sense that he left due to coercion.

Update: that paperwork that will prove the time the victim entered and exited school will be available on Aug 7 so that will help the timeline become more precise.

That supposed to be good news? That's too far out. Pull back on the date. Get it sooner we need to wrap things up. You need to expedite that fr

Y'all argue on a crime forum? Oh and there's alot more to the hallway situation. So I didn't even scratch the surface.

He likes to get things done quickly. More than 30 days on a case and he has a meltdown. More than 90 days and he feels like he failed the victim and their loved ones. That's why he's always talking about closure for loved ones and justice for victims. I don't actually argue back so it's always 1 sided. Also, you can info drop anytime . The website is up 24/7.

Aint nobody argue. P be throwing me off sometimes. You new but you already doing that too . Like how dumb it sound when y'all describe someone appearance. The whole purpose is to get these cases ready for trial. You know how dumb it would sound to describe someone as "long" to a judge? Or even to police? When I get throwed off I get irritated but yea get the papers sooner.

Out here describing ppl as "long" like they horizontal or something. Ight moving on, so how much of that hallway conversation you remember?

All of it, I kept record of it. On paper, the entire conversation consists of 40+ pages when fully unredacted. It includes our speech, body language, movements, affect, and tone. I made the conversation into a transcript. It doesn't include a time stamp though.

Ok ok that's good and useful. Detailed too. Give me a line from it please an example, from the unredacted . Like a sentence or two

Fully unredacted version , pg. 37

Notes: Conversation has abruptly ended. Both are walking away towards the exit.

1

Me

Mood: concerned, foreboding, shocked

Speech: none

Action: walking while staring at Darius

2

Darius:

Mood

downcast

Speech

none

Action

walking uncomfortably beside the boy who berated him

Body language

staring downward, eyes despondent, unhappy, nerve-wracked

3

Boy [Kid?- unknown]:

Affect

Irritable

Speech

I might as well, my shit getting long.

Action

grabs a strand of his own hair using his right hand. Stretches out the hair strand, it is 2 inches when fully outstretched.

Explanation

He was describing his hair, stating that he might as well get dreads. "Shit" used in this context is referring to his own hair, not actual feces.

Yeah, this looks way better on paper so don't judge.

Dang you even included yourself ? ? I guess that make sense. That's sad to visualize the victim so dejected like that. At least it's specific enough to where it can be visualized tho.

I gotchu . So for the redacted version, what exactly is removed? I like this format bcuz it make it easy to step in your shoes and see what you saw . Like it make it easy to visualize and feel.

Irrelevant stuff, like how long he had his dreads and my favorite types of hair products.

Dang so just off this one page of transcript, that boy really wasn't reading the room at all. Look how it at this part , he the only one talking. So after making y'all shut up and separate, he gon start talkin freely and make the conversation about his hair instead.? I couldn't have been there, couldn't fr. Give me the page right before this one page 36 please and thank u

Scratch that, I want a copy of the fully unredacted version and the redacted one ,all of it, notes too. All the paper you got on this I like this transcript thing it's so detailed. Give me it all please and thank u.

Okay but the entire thing is 89+ pages of information. It'll have to be a different way, I'm not typing all those words. You're forgetting the character count is a 5000 limit for each post on this website. I can mail it to your PO box, though.

. . ... ? You hilarious for assuming I m finna just put my Po out there. I'll get it behind t he scenes . Thank u

Ohhh ok I see what you did. Ok I'll mail it

I feel bad that a hair compliment turned into you somehow ending up seeing and hearing some bad stuff. I see why it say your mood was shocked. Be fr tho and don't get offended but the next day when you got called out over some hair beeswax, how in the world that not anger you ?? It sound like that other boy was tryna put some blame on you. You let him punk you twice back to back . Is it possible he heard you when you whispered about him, calling him weird?

She already answered this and it's not her fault, you can't control what someone else says out their mouth. That would've been her word against the boy's and the boy had the automatic advantage of actually being from there. Even today, obviously not a single person believes us, but we don't care. We're doing this to at least tell the truth for the victim. I don't actually expect any arrests, but at least the truth will be released. May I also have a copy of the record? Let's do an info swap, I'll hand over everything I have in exchange.

I gotchu P . When she give them to me, I'll give them to you . I gotchu

In their defense, they were grieving and anger is one of those stages. They had just lost someone they knew. It would've been tasteless for me to lash out against grieving peers. That very next day, as soon as I got in my probs and stats class a girl called me out about getting dreads and said that I could've bought my own damn beeswax. I was stupified. That other boy was playing a single player game, but someone managed to make it a multi player game and forever included me. You just don't get it. What happened in that hallway was not ok. I'm sorry for myself too, I can't wait for you to receive the records. You'll see what I mean.

Yea yea that's true bcuz u gon forever have that memory bcuz as we all know memories never fade. That's what murderers don't realize. Like yea you mad at the person but think long term. Murderers just be leaving a path of destruction not realizing it cause a permanent ripple effect across the board. Ight say less on them records

I can't wait too, thank u

No he saying behind the scenes, like in person. So go ahead and make copies now and then hand it over in person.

Here take this idea. You say you was told that the hallway convo was 10 minutes, do me a favor real quick ... do a re enactment of the entire hallway thing--from the time you grab the victim's shoulder to the time they walked out the door. Like read out the whole convo and have a timer on the side .. see if that timer match up to 10 minutes. Then I want you to find out what time u left English 4 class. Add +however minutes the timer say and now you got an approximate time he left school. And then P when you get the paper proving what time he left, it should align perfectly with these results.

Basically act it out, and time yourself. Don't rush or talk slow, just talk at the pace yall was talking, but have a timer running on the side.

So...a recording ... of a recording? She said she already got it on record.

No, I can still do it. I get what he's saying because a transcript is a recording, but I didn't include the time stamps. I see what he means. I'll do it.

No, I can still do it. I get what he's saying because a transcript is a recording, but I didn't include the time stamps. I see what he means. I'll do it.

I pulled all my records from that school. They didn't have my class schedules. Where there's a will there's a way, so I'll keep trying that part.

There's no such thing as " try." I never heard of that person. Either get something done or you don't. That's how life works. Did the shooter TRY to murder this victim or did the shooter actually do it? The shooter actually did it, without making excuses. ok so then you needa find out the exact time you left that English 4 class. Did that hallway boy TRY to convince the victim to go to the angry guy or did he make sure it happen? Nah he made sure to get there, he saw it through to the end. Match the timing they was on and the case will be solved. Make it your mission to get your own class schedules, no matter from how long ago, ya feel me? Now get to it

Since today is Sunday, everything's closed. I'll leave voicemails and await a response on Monday.

Horizontal is ridiculous. When you phrase it like that, I can see how that doesn't provide any real description. Actually, quite the opposite. It sounds confusing now that I'm seeing it from your way of thinking so thank you. Can we just agree on the word skinny for the time being?

Fr tho we just better off leaving it at skinny and similar height. Don't try to add no more details bcuz you and P something else. P talm bout hair that goes up... then you sayin he was long. . . just draw him or find a yearbook pic. Or hire a sketch artist something. I ask P how the hair go up P swear it wasn't an afro but then proceeds to literally describe an afro. What I'm a do with y'all? Y'all cool for tryna help tho. I respect that

Our school didn't give us yearbooks, or at least not when I was there. Plus, I've already took your suggestion. I scheduled for a sketch artist to draw him, and I'll give a description while they're drawing his portrait. Then give it to authorities.

Scheduled for when? Please step on the gas pedal with that portrait. That should've been done weeks ago tbh.